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Turbine Rocket Saucer
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Original design - spinning, clustered saucer with LED lighting
Flown on 4 to 8 motor clusters of 24mm motors, mostly Estes D11-Ps

20 inches diameter. Flight weight 1.3 to 2.0 pounds.

Videos:  2012 flights video  2011 flights video  2010 flights video   More info:  2012 flights  2011 flights  Rocketry Forum thread
3 Cool night flights in 2012 flights video and one more in 2011 flights video     Fired by Rocketflite igniters and Cluster Box

2010 flights     Turbine Rocket Saucer is featured in the Dec/Nov 2011 issue of Sport Rocketry

Flight 15:
6x D11-P motors.  Awesome light effects and shower of flame and sparks!


Turbine Rocket Saucer stats for first year of flight - 2010:

> Original design built spring 2010

> Flown 15 flights firing all 74 motors loaded

> All motors 24mm Estes BP, mostly D11-Ps

> Flown on 4, 6 or 8 motors, seems to do best on 6

> Always fired by Rocketflite MF igniters

> Always used high output cluster box

Flights 13-15:   11/21/10   CMASS   Amesbury, MA  
Last CMASS launch of the season and an opportunity for night flights.
The LEDs worked great!

Flight 14: Flew on 6x D11-Ps and the effect was wild!

To the eye the saucer appeared as smooth white rings above a huge shower of flame and sparks.

These pictures offer another opportunity to estimate saucer RPM.
Images were taken at 1/45 sec exposure, ISO 1600, in a continuous series at 3 per second.
> Fifth picture was at 5 second onto the flight and colors overlap about 1/3 rotation (in 1/45 sec) so 15 rev per second x 60 = 900 RPM.
> Fourth picture is at 4 seconds onto flight and colors overlap almost 1/2 rotation so about 20 rev per second x 60 = 1200 RPM.
> Third picture is at tail end of motor burnout, end of effective motor thrust is about 1.6 seconds. With the loss of 300 RPM from second 4 to 5 and peak RPM at 1.6 seconds, I estimate roughly 2000 peak RPM.

2000 RPM estimate for 6x D11-Ps fits reasonably well with 1500 RPM estimate for 4x D11-Ps.

Flight 13: Went up near dusk on 4x D11-P motors. Due to the 3oz weight added for lighting, altitude was slightly reduced to about 100ft.

To the eye, the red and blue LEDs blended to a smooth purple series of rings.

These pictures were taken at 1/3000 second exposure.
The fourth picture is at the end of the engine burn and offers an opportunity to roughly estimate saucer RPM:
> I estimate that the smearing or stretching of the LED light in the image reaches about 1/15 of the way to the next band of lights.
> The next band of lights is 1/8 of the way around the saucer.
> So the saucer completed 1/15 x 1/8 = 1/120 of a rotation in the 1/3000 second exposure. 3000/120 = 25 rev per second x 60 = approximately 1500 RPM

Flights 11-12:   11/6/10   CMASS   Amesbury, MA   Two more good flights on 4x D11-P motors.

Flight 10:   10/2/10   CMASS   Amesbury, MA  

Nice flight on 6x D11-P motors.

Flight 9:   9/18/10   Got in another flight on a beautiful day at CMASS in Amesbury, MA.

Loaded up the Turbine Rocket Saucer with 8x D11-P motors and sent it up on a column of smoke and fire. With the 8 motors in the highly canted motor mounts, the rocket spun so fast it stripped off two of its motors in flight. As these two motor mounts were opposite each other, I left them off and now fly the rocket with 6 motors very nicely.

Also had the privilege of flying Carl Tulanko's beautiful, huge upscale Tres that day: http://www.rocketryforum.com/showthr...306#post133306

Flights 6-8:   8/28/10   CMASS   Acton, MA   All on 4x D11-P clusters with same great flight profiles as previous flights.

Pictures of first launch of the day: The intense heat and sparks of the Rocketflite ML igniters is evident in the first picture.
The fast spinning rocket with its spikes of flame seems to be sitting above the column of smoke.
Interesting smoke starburst effect at the end of the burn. Rocket continues to lift and briefly hover after the burn.

Flights 3-5:   8/14/10   Turbine Rocket Saucer flew three times at the CMASS launch in Acton, MA.

Each of the 3 flights went up on 4 motors all loaded in the new motor tubes which are canted at 60 degrees from vertical.
The flights were great, with lots of spin and safe, quick, straight liftoffs.
Recoveries were gentle this time due to increased spin and moderate altitude, estimate about 100 ft.

flight 3 - 4x D12-0 (pictured)
flight 4 - 2x D12-0 and 2x E9-4
flight 5 - 2x D12-0 and 2x E9-4

This is the flight profile I was hoping for! Spinning liftoff, hover and gentle recovery.
From the video it looks like about 4 seconds of lift, 3 seconds hover and 5 seconds for gradual recovery.
Flights 1-2: The only shortcoming in both flights was on the way down. Rocket continued to spin at a gradually slowing rate until it hit the ground, so the gyroscopic effect prevented it from flipping over the way most saucers do on recovery. Instead it tipped to about a 45 degree angle and came down on one edge, requiring some repair. After these two flights, added more motor tubes that were highly canted as noted in the August section of the build at the bottom of this page.

Flight 2:   7/31/10   Second flight liftoff on 8x D12-0 motors was great, firing all motors, with quick spin and lift off the rod.
Very similar flight behavior to previous flight, this time reaching 150-200ft altitude.

Last picture shows the continued lift after motor burnout.
Both times liftoff was straight up and recovery angled to about 45 degrees, landing downwind.

Flight 1:   7/31/10   First flight liftoff on 4x D12-0 motors was great, firing all motors, spinning and lifting quickly off the rod.

Gyroscopic effect was noticeable with rocket staying very flat during liftoff. Some moderate lift continued after motor burnout due to turbine action of fins. Estimate about 100-150ft altitude.

Build - 2010
July - initial build     August - added more motor tubes and fiberglass     November - added LEDs
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I had long wanted to design and build a spinning, saucer-style rocket, inspired by Applewhite's saucers and FlisKits' Frick-n-Frack.

If it works, it will look cool, benefit from gyroscopic stabilization, and with the right use of fins, convert some of that spin into lift.

Outer rim is shaped and built like several Applewhite saucer designs. 20" total OD, 3" wide with 30 degree angle between top and bottom.
Ring uses 1/4" foam board for the bottom and paper to form inner and top rings.

Fiberglassed outer ring lightly for strength using 1.3 oz glass.
Original build had 3 layers on the inside diameter as that is what the "turbine" blades will mount to,
2 layers on the top and 1 layer on the bottom of the foam board to harden the surface.

Eight 3" x 3/16" basswood fins form inner turbine blades. Made a diagram to assist in accurate placement of all components.
Airfoiled 8 fins and tacked them in place with CA before applying light epoxy fillets top and bottom.

Center is 4" tube that accepts interchangeable motor mounts. This tube is 3" long and wrapped with a couple layers of 1.3 oz FG.

Motor mount unit has 8x 24mm tubes canted about 20 degrees from vertical, surrounding 1/2" rod lug.
This will allow many motor combinations and for the saucer to start rotating before separating from the rod.

August - After hard landings in the first two flights split a section of outer edge, painted epoxy (West 206) inside the tear, taped it together and applied weight to press the bottom flat. Then added slightly more fiber glass to top and bottom of outer ring, bringing build up of all 3 sides up to 3 layers of 1.3oz. Saucer weight went from 13.3oz to 14.9oz after this step.

Finally added 4 more motor tubes mounted to inner area of fins. These new motor mounts are canted at 60 degrees from vertical.
Later on, an additional four very canted motor mounts are added. Original 8 center motor tubes are canted at 20 degrees from vertical.

With more ring weight and strength, as well as very canted motor mounts, goal is to keep the saucer spinning fast and flat until it returns to ground. Altitudes will be moderate.

November - In anticipation of a night flying opportunity LEDs were added to the TRS.

LED strips as purchased have 60 LEDs on a 40 inch strip that can be cut at any 2" increment.
They are rated at about 150mA (for 60 LEDs) at 12V.
Picked up a 11.1V 480mAh Lipo battery that weights only 1.4 oz.

Cut LED strips into 8" sections and used the sticky backing they came with to apply them to the saucer. Strips wrap from the center on ring ID (both ends near saucer outer edge) to help the LEDs to hold despite very strong centrifugal forces. Removed a clear, protective silicone covering on the strips, both to bend them as sharply as required and because centrifugal force would have stripped them off anyway.

Soldered power wire from strip to strip around the ring ID, ending in a battery terminal near the center. Then painted LED strips and all wiring with two coats of West 206 epoxy to harden and adhere. Went with one side red and one side blue to maximize visibility of spinning effect in flight. There are 96 LEDs on this total and the amount of light it throws off is surprising.

I am very pleased with the results and look forward to flying with lights on both day and night going forward.

good news: Complete battery and light system added only 3oz to the rocket.
bad news: LEDs cost $50 and battery $30.

In theory the 480mAh battery will power the 240mA load for 2 hours. To preserve the battery will only use a fraction of this before recharging.